i think that's what makes me optimistic about america because i think the next four or five years america can outperform and surprise people on the upside. >> what are you seeing in terms of business these days, ed? for example, the mortgage business. are you against taking that mortgage deduction out of the list of loopholes and exemptions that could be cut? >> yeah, i guess i have to say i think the right public policy it would be better to get a higher revenue through capping some of these deductions than raising the marginal rates. in the end, we're going to have a combination of the two, probably not raise them as much as originally thought. you know, also cap. i do think fundamentally a cap on mortgage interest deductibility would be a good public policy measure. even if that means some slow down in the mortgage volume growth. sometimes i think banking leaders have to think about what's the right thing for the country and then worry about how they make money in that rather than what the right thing is for the short term for their bank. >> so what are you seeing now in terms of mortg